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    September 05, 2021

    The Last of Us | was Alice the good-est girl?

    was Alice the good-est girl?

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 09:00 AM PDT

    One more fanart of Ellie in two different styles. More in my IG

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 09:10 AM PDT

    Ellie’s flashbacks~

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 12:10 PM PDT

    My gouache art. Swipe to see the progress

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 03:38 AM PDT

    Got a new Tattoo!!

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 02:22 PM PDT

    The "fireflies incompetent ?" debate takes away from the story

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 05:35 AM PDT

    I do not understand what makes the "could the fireflies have made a vaccine" debate compelling for those who argue that the fireflies would have 100% failed anyway.

    I get why someone can get the impression that the fireflies don't know what they're doing (I've read a lot of sound arguments on that subject) but I have to ask why they seem to like this reading when it takes away so much of the drama from the end of TLOU1 to the point that it's reduced to "ehh sad that Joel lied but he was basically 100% right so".

    It turns the dilemma at the end of The Last of Us into a no-brainer decision where instead of potentially dooming mankind to save your daughter because she is that important to you, you're just saving her from crazy dangerous child killers about to murder her because they're dumb.

    What motivates people to engage in this discussion to begin with ? Am I missing something when I say that having this reading of the story turns the most memorable, character-defining moment for Joel into a bog-standard rescue mission ?

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    The last of us

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 03:41 PM PDT

    Guys is the last of us 1 worth playing even though I know the ending?

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    I was watching a 60 minutes episode that aired tonight in Australia when all of a sudden… Gustavo?

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 08:16 AM PDT

    Finally made it! Huge props to those who do grounded whole game | Fail compilation in comments

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 04:30 PM PDT

    Have you guys noticed that the way those names are placed seems like a moth

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 03:47 PM PDT

    Just got my customized TLOU box!

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 11:18 AM PDT

    I discovered this a while back and wanted to share. This is how I handle this boss battle every time now. More commentary in the comments.

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 08:22 PM PDT

    My interpretation of how lack of communication influenced a key relationship dynamic in Part 2

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 10:22 PM PDT

    Let's start off with the inciting incident. In the hospital, Joel made the decision to save Ellie for Ellie (at least predominantly), and not because of his fear of loss. He was well aware of how Ellie would receive this decision but did it anyway because he thought she was worth saving. For instance, the very first conversation in part 2 begins with: 'Maybe I was starting to believe in this cure business, Maybe I wanted to do right by her'. It was always about Ellie for Joel. Ellie's stoic reaction to his decision at the end of part, and her saying 'ok' from her perspective, is removed from his perspective (a deliberate decision), because he fears that Ellie sees this decision as a selfish one (based on their ranch conversation), but his words reflect his inner thoughts and resolve in the face of that fear. Simply put, he didn't really care if Ellie saw his decision in a more negative light, and hated him for it, as long as she was alive. Further, he states during their last porch conversation that he didn't regret it ('I would do it all over again'), despite being shunned by Ellie for a year. It makes sense for his character since he's never been one to be driven by self-interest nor is he someone who cares about how his actions are perceived as long as his family is safe. He sold his humanity away as a hunter to keep Tommy alive, he degraded himself as a smuggler to keep Tess alive. Lastly, this also explains why his rampage is shown in all its glory (using this word in a negative sense) from his perspective. He has never been one to shy away from the cost of his actions ('I've been on both sides').

    From Ellie's side, she wanted her immunity to amount to something. For sure, her survivor guilt is the main reason driving her journey to the fireflies. But she's also someone who had up until that point, largely been treated as a burden to everyone around her due to her orphaned upbringing (for example, the very first page of American dreams has a soldier and caretaker abandon her by saying that he 'has his own family to take care of'). She has never felt the kind of unconditional love that Joel showed her. There have always been caveats to the affection that people have given her. This mentality was bound to induce some self-worth issues, which played into her drive to seek the fireflies.

    Cut to part 1's epilogue, I strongly believe that she was aware of the gist of what went down in the hospital, which leads to the most ambiguous and interesting conclusion to part 1. If you work backwards with the information she has logically, there's basically only one conclusion that you can draw: Why was she unconscious in scrubs in car as they were moving away at a breakneck pace from their destination? They were obviously running away. Why were they running away? The only reason would be that the fireflies were going to harm her or Joel. Why would they do something like that? After all, she knew Marlene (who she didn't know was there, but its a reasonable guess to assume so). It could only have been for the vaccine/cure. I think she surmised (based on the conversation they had just prior to crossing the dilapidated bridge in SLC where Joel fell into the bus) that getting the cure out of her would've harmed her in some way, and Joel stopped them. She provisionally accepted Joel's lie thinking that he did it for her because he valued her life more than the vaccine.

    But she still felt complicit in infection related deaths, even as she was beginning to heal from her survivor guilt. Joel's constant lying (again, completely understandable and predominantly selfless) was to alleviate her feelings of guilt. Since he was not aware of her relationship with Kat, he assumed she was still wallowing in guilt over the deaths of her friends. If he'd known about her sexuality, and the nature of her relationship to Riley, he might've come clean since he'd understand that Ellie was moving on. As it stood, in the finding strings flashback, he had no reason to believe that Ellie had made any progress. As you may recall, the conversation started with 'if only they were immune, right?'

    But of course, that wasn't the case. Ellie not being forthright about her relationship caused him to lie, which in turn muddied her perception of why he did what he did. She began to feel that he only did it to spare himself pain (a scenario that he was prepared for), which colored his decision the wrong way for her since she felt he was only lying to preserve their relationship.

    This forced her to seek the truth, which shattered her perception of him.... Her self-esteem took a serious hit (if Joel only saved her for himself, was her life actually worth anything?), and her survivor guilt returned (if her life wasn't worth much, shouldn't she have died to bring meaning to Riley's death?), and her traumas clouded her rational judgement. Her anger at him was just a manifestation of her own survivor guilt because she now felt an exaggerated degree of culpability with regards to infection related deaths, again due to her survivor guilt. She stayed in Jackson because (a) the hope for the vaccine was dead, (b) despite everything, she still loved Joel and was unwilling to hurt him by moving away.

    However, she needed time to recover, and Joel gave her just that. Him explaining his poor treatment at the hands of the fireflies would've been detrimental since Ellie may not have believed him. Even if she did, her mental state was bound to have made her take it wrongly i.e as Joel trying to elicit sympathy from her. He wanted no sympathy from Ellie, he just wanted her to move on. His dejected expression was due to sorrow at his own failure for not being capable of assisting Ellie to do that, not self-pity.

    It was only after Joel sprung to her defense immediately after she was harassed despite being shunned for a year, and not at all minding (, even supporting) of her kissing Dina, was she even able to question her beliefs. She then went to Joel to finally and freely talk about her feelings regarding the vaccine and what her immunity meant to her. Joel then confirmed what we and him knew all along: he doesn't and never would regret saving her, even if he is shunned by her forever. That he only wanted to find someone to fight for. Its why he says Dina would be lucky to have her. That allowed her to truly try and move past the vaccine stuff. Ellie forgiving him is tied with Ellie forgiving herself with regards to complicity in infection related deaths. I fundamentally don't believe Ellie would've succeeded in finding meaning with her life without knowing the full truth about what happened at SLC, or without ever coming out to Joel. In this way, tlou2 handles LGBT representation beautifully, by subtly weaving it into the narrative and have it be a decisive factor in character growth

    Of course, then began the tragedy of part 2. This is how I see it. Its a big word vomit, thanks for reading if you got this far

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    “IT IS OVER TESS” *Sad Duck Noises* �� ��

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 11:19 AM PDT

    do you think abby regrets it?

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 08:01 PM PDT

    do you think abby regrets killing joel? i mean, yeah she got revenge for her father, but at the end of the day that one decision caused her to lose so much more. pretty much all her friends (except lev) are gone.

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    I hate myself. Of all ways to die. Going down the elevator to get gas. Rip.

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 04:41 AM PDT

    In retrospective....

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 01:18 PM PDT

    Not too long ago I sat down and thought to myself I wanted to play the last of us games again since I had only played 2 once when it first came out and I played through the first enjoying it as I normally would thinking nothing of it doing small things different but no real changes and it was a nice time.

    However

    when starting up the sequel I didn't have the same mindset as it was almost as if I was playing it for the first time and there was this unsettling feeling since I knew the heartbreaks in this game were going to hit hard and they did, but as I played it I realised all of the "issues" I originally had with the game weren't there, and the character problems were non existant as, for example, I felt the entirety of the WLF and Scar characters were nothing but extra stuff just to be there, but upon this second playthrough I found that I actually found myself thoroughly invested in the campaign as a whole and in fact moreso with abbeys seattle days

    We followed Ellie on a revenge mission that we all wanted to go on, while we saw Abbeys character breakdown and change as a person which is surprisingly rare in videogames, I mean she went against her own people, and watching this happen held me time upon time throughout. I sadly found that on the second time around ellies was very cut and dry and we were supposed to enjoy it on a first playthrough as we were doing as we wanted to do from the death of Joel and in our own sense of a need for revenge, and on the second play it was still upsetting but I could empathise with the character of Abbey more.

    To cut a long story short, I found that the Abbey side of the seattle was actually my favourite part of the game and it is something deserving of a second playthrough to truly experience that which so many people, including me for a time, refused it that chance and I myself regret it.

    B.

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    Bill and Ellie

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 10:22 PM PDT

    This is a random post lmao forgive me but I'm replaying part 1 rn for the thousandth time and I just got to the area where u first meet bill. Now when bill handcuffs Ellie and immobilizes Joel, I just now noticed after all these years about the possibility of bill finding Ellie's bite mark. I'm just wondering what u guys think he would've done in that moment. Me personally, I feel like with how paranoid bill was and him not having any knowledge of this girl, he would've killed her on sight. It's just kinda weird to think about but would love to hear u guys thoughts. 🤙🏾

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    Joel choice is specifically envolve into story and it's truth!

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 09:57 PM PDT

    I hear just for the sake of plot and understanding everything people often comes to that conclusion that Joel is bad person or doomed humanity by saving Ellie

    The one thing that game tried to do without noticing anything is that whether you believe or not ,if cure is worked or not? The one thing game established that even Abby who avenged Joel by thinking him as bad or person who doomed humanity , indirectly had same conclusion about it , like you still saved Lev against all odds , game intentionally saying is that at particular moment as beach that game wanted you to think that saving Ellie was worth it was morally better choice

    But most people tends to go opposite direction and saying that __ is bad person or _ is better person But In reality game indirectly saying many times that Joel died not because of making that choice but rather he died via consequences killing Jerry in some manner it was not intentional but more decision driven

    Because Ellie is focusing more on cure as she should (narratively makes sense for her character and establish her as honest character)

    The one thing game established is that and many times specifically on Abby side game was telling that saving Ellie was right choice ,(whether it was on hospital flashback etc) you people just can't see it even Abby knew at the end(while holding lev) , saving Ellie was right choice that Joel made the right call but due to her complexity of her character she just didnt show it rather she realised at particular moment

    Same for Ellie ,she realised so she stopped and last flashback originally meant for her trying to forgive Joel but ended up like she was asking for forgiveness for herself

    Most of the people didn't understand this because Joel died , that's why he had to be wrong or because and Ellie and Abby saw him as villain type person but this pov are evolved into something that was not expected by Ellie which led Ellie to forgive herself

    Don't be hypocrite just understand this in simple way that you save Lev and Yara as Abby , but what makes Ellie different because of immunity that makes her thing (a cure) more than child at that particular moment , and even for fireflies you heard lots of things like you read that notes about many of test subjects that died and (specifically read that museum note) most importantly game challange you for that Game proved it point

    I would do it all over again

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    Ellie and I are best twins :)

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 12:54 PM PDT

    Anna Paquin needs to be cast as Abby Anderson in the HBO series

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 09:27 PM PDT

    End of day 3 with Ellie

    Posted: 05 Sep 2021 11:51 PM PDT

    https://youtu.be/fWYsfp2GZg4 Language: portuguese from portugal Mode: survivor

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